Matthew 9:18

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While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live. (ASV)

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Dead or dying?

She is dead!

Matthew 9:18 While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.


She is dying!

Mark 5:23 and beseecheth him much, saying, My little daughter is at the point of death: [I pray thee], that thou come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be made whole, and live.

Luke 8:42 for he had an only daughter, about twelve years of age, and she was dying. But as he went the multitudes thronged him.


--Opercularis 15:00, 5 Feb 2006 (CST)


Chronological

JW:

The Gospels contain many chronological differences when compared to each other. For instance:

From 1001 Errors In The Christian Bible:

#163

Mark 5:

21 And when Jesus had crossed over again in the boat unto the other side, a great multitude was gathered unto him; and he was by the sea.
22 And there cometh one of the rulers of the synagogue, Jairus by name; and seeing him, he falleth at his feet,
23 and beseecheth him much, saying, My little daughter is at the point of death: [I pray thee], that thou come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be made whole, and live.

Compare to:

Matthew 9:

18 While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.

The wording of the accompanying stories are so similar that the authors are clearly telling the same story. Yet “Mark’s version comes immediately after the “Gerassic Pork story about the demoniac while "Matthew’s" version has "The Healing Of The Paralytic", "The Call Of Levi" and "The Question About Fasting" stories in between the "Gerassic Pork" and "Jairus’ Daughter" stories.

In the words of the god awful trilogy, Highlander, "There can be only one!"? (historically accurate chronology). The issue of chronological contradictions is an important one because it’s generally overlooked in amateur forums and therefore the average person has no conception it even exists. Therefore, I feel that I’m performing a valuable public service by helping to bring this issue to public attention.

So, are the different chronologies described above a contradiction in the Christian Bible or are they …?

I'm currently arguing with famed Internet Apologist JP Holding at Tweeb:

[url]http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27886[/url]

about whether this is any type of error. As an Apologist he's trying to broaden the definition of chronological error to make it easier to attack and change the definition of error here to a standard from 2,000 years ago. In any case I'm not starting the thread here primarily to comment on JP Holding's Apologist efforts. My primary objective here is first to hear from Skeptics regarding whether they think the example I gave above is [B]any[/B] kind of error in the Christian Bible. Secondly, if it is, what is the [B]quality[/B] of the error (Important, unimportant, somewhere in between). At the same time I'm anxious to set a new record for the number of posts one of my threads can go before it ends up Elsewhere as Elsewhere reminds me too much of that room in the snotty fraternity in Animal House where they put Pinto, Flounder, the blind guy, the cripple and the Muslim.


[COLOR=Blue]JW: JP Holding has conceded (chink) that there is a chronological error by modern standards at Tweeb (of course getting him to say it in straightforward language is about as easy as getting The Fonz to say "I was wrong"):

[url]http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27886[/url]

He's retreated to a position that such a chronological difference would not have been considered an error 2,000 years ago. In any case, let's consider the [B]quality[/B] of the chronological error based on some of the details in the Gospels.

Verse 5:18 establishes that at the end of the Gerassic Pork story Jesus' location was in a [B]ship[/B]:

18 (KJV) "And when he was come into the ship, he that had been possessed with the devil prayed him that he might be with him."

An view of the verse in Greek can be found at:

[url]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Errors_In_The_Christian_Bible/message/4918[/url]

Now let's look at [B]where[/B] Jesus' next goes in this ship according to "Mark": (KJV)

21 "And when Jesus was passed over again by ship unto the other side, much people gathered unto him: and he was nigh unto the sea. 22 And, behold, there cometh one of the rulers of the synagogue, Jairus by name; and when he saw him, he fell at his feet,"

According to "Mark" when Jesus reached the other side he was met by a lot of people and one of the people who came to meet him was Jairus. "Mark" then begins the Jairus' daughter story.

Now let's look at [B]where[/B] Jesus next goes in this ship according to "Matthew" 9: (KJV)

1 "And he entered into a ship, and passed over, and came into his own city. 2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee."

We now see two significant differences between "Mark" and "Matthew" as to what happens after the Gerassic Pork story:

1) "Mark" starts the [B]Jairus' Daughter[/B] story while "Matthew" starts the [B]Paralytic Healing[/B] story.

2) "Mark" gives no indication that Jesus went to his hometown here while "Matthew" says Jesus went to his [B]hometown[/B] here.

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