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JW: The only thing we can be certain about regarding the Christian Bible is that the Impossible was not Possible. This observation also creates considerable Doubt as to the Possible claims of the Christian Bible. Ironically, Believers possess the Opposite Argument - The Impossible claims of the CB make the Possible claims more believable.

Most Believers take the claims of the CB for granted being brought up by and surrounded by a Culture of fellow Believers, making little or no effort to Critically examine the claims of the CB. If we step outside the boundary of the Real world of Logic and Reason and accept the possibility that the Impossible is Possible (even though any related Conclusions will now have no Logical standing in the Real World) for the sake of Argument than an important question is:

HOW exactly was the Christian Bible created?

According to Christianity, the Christian Bible was Created by Someones/Somethings called "Church Tradition" and an important component of "Church Tradition" was Irenaeus because he wrote "On The Apostolic Preaching".

The first question to ask when studying a writing of a Church Father is, WHO exactly was the author of what we now possess (extant)?:

1) How do we know what was Original?

2) How do we know what was Edited?

3) How do we know what was Mistranslated?

4) How much do we Discount what we have souly because of Motive and Opportunity to present what Christianity wanted or thought Irenaeus should say rather than what he actually said?

Assuming for now that the author of the Present "On The Apostolic Preaching":

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0881411744/internetinfidels

was holy or at least priMarily Irenaeus, WHO was Irenaeus? Irenaeus was the most important Church Father during the second century as the subsequent Church chose to preserve more of his writings than anyone else of the second century and he is the first known person to mention all four Gospels by their current names. As the second century appears to be responsible for the creation of a very mysterious one Way force called "Church Tradition" and also the likely time that Christianity made a Jew-Turn going the wrong way down a One God Street Irenaeus also becomes one of the most important Church Fathers in the history of Christianity.

"Church Tradition" is a fascinating substance which unlike Jesus who apparently was only able to re-incarnate once, can magically incarnate when it is needed to support important Christian assertions such as WHAT is Scripture? (it was determined by "Church Tradition")but can also magically disincarnate when it doesn't support modern Christian assertions (they call me trinity). WHO were the guys behind "Church Tradition"? Maybe Irenaeus? We'll see that when someone like Irenaeus agrees with later Christian assertions he becomes an invaluable contemporary witness of impeccable credentials supporting "Church Tradition" but when he disagrees with later Christian assertions he dwindles to just a man and not Scripture. The puzzle this creates is did Scripture create the "Church Tradition" or did "Church Tradition" create Scripture? Or put in theological Christian terms, which came first, the Eucharchicken or the Easter Egg?

I would encourage Everyone to read "On The Apostolic Preaching" because:

1) It demonstrates how Poor Irenaeus' reasoning skills were.

2) It demonstrates how Biased Irenaeus was.

3) It demonstrates Irenaeus'lack of evidence for concluding WHAT the Christian Bible should be.

4) It demonstrates the Uncertainty of what Irenaeus originally wrote.

--JoeWallack 09:47, 5 Sep 2006 (CDT)

Church Tradition - A memorization technique involving the oral transmission of a story from generation to generation until Nobody remembers What the original story was.